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sedona arizona

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the new roswell home of the vortex

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and today

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it's may 2nd

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we're going to be interviewing tom dondo

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tom dango

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uh has taken a whole scrapbook of

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photographs of unusual

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objects here in sedona

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uh we're going to be finding out the

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support from him uh in a little while

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but in the

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meantime we've gone through time and

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space

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and we're here between

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bell rock and cathedral rock the some of

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the most beautiful country in the united

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states can be found here in sedona and

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some of the most unusual things and

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speaking of some

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unusual things we were just that the

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coffee pot

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uh restaurant for brunch

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and when i got my receipt and this was

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not pre-planned

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what did it come up but 2012.

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i don't know it's too eerie and it's too

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spooky for me but on your next trip

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come on down to sedona arizona

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more ufos that you can shake a stick at

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more psychics more metaphysical

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bookstores and remember

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i can see you but you can't see me this

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is tim beckley for the conspiracy

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journal

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and uh it's

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our unfair unbalanced unedited report

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coming up with tom dango from sedona

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oh

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well we got we got tom back into the

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room here he just got finished with one

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of his tours around uh sedona

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and uh we're going to find out about tom

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together i mean when i was editor of ufo

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universe magazine i i know we did quite

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a story on um what was going on uh in

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town here because sedona certainly is

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the metaphysical capital of the uh

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of the world so tom first off

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how did you get to sedona

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well that's that's an interesting story

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and i've been asked that many many times

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it's kind of a

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actually it all started when i had

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sporting the store in reno and i was

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walking down the street one day and

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literally a pair of hands i've you know

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i had heard of this happening to other

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people it literally happened to me a

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pair of giant hands grabbed me by the

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shoulders steering me through down the

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street through a parking lot into a

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bookstore i went to the back of the

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bookstore in the hands i mean i'm not

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are we talking about physical hands no

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they're invisible yeah okay steering me

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right because i'm thinking about the old

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spiritualist days where the hands would

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you know materialize during the seasons

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but okay you've got an invisible force

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getting it to the back of the bookstore

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yeah so so that so i mean you know you

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couldn't see but you can feel it you can

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feel them so it bent me over like this

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and there was a book in the bottom shelf

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and i reached down it you know i noticed

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it and i pulled it out and it was seth

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speaks by jane roberts and this one

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started the whole thing

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and then uh after that i moved to santa

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cruz in uh great place yeah yeah

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and uh i was in the uh the berkeley

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psychic institute and the tibetan

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foundation which kind of eventually led

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sedona because the tibetan foundation

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branch here and i i was i was a part of

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that for about a year and then they

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pulled how long ago was that i've been

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here 22 years 20 years ago yeah and

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when did you start when okay well what

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comes first the uh the card or the um

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uh or the horse did you see your first

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ufo sighting before you started your um

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during the during the time i moved here

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i already written a small book uh it was

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supposed to be a pamphlet and it was

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still in print mysteries of sedona

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i'm gonna start writing a book about the

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ufo activity in sedona and i got nothing

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i put ads in newspapers and everything

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anything i could get any kind of

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information i got absolutely nowhere and

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then suddenly as if somebody flicked a

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switch i was inundated from every

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direction where people would come to see

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and i had more than enough

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information well i know

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my friend bill hamilton uh wrote

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something about this uh area when we

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published the cosmic top secret uh and

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of course ufo universe which we did an

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article uh quite a number of years i

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guess ten years ago maybe uh now uh on

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some of your adventures here okay well

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let's let's start out

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uh sedona is the home of the vortex we

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hear about window areas and in places

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where people can go and see ufos that

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other places john keel in his uh his

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of uh trojan horse talks about these

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areas where apparently there's something

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there whether it's the ley lines that

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people and how did they well about half

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any night and see something that would

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the the activity was so dramatic here

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lights and some of these were as big as

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that there could be let's say seven or

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eight people in a group and each person

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will see something slightly different

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it's not like the 100 that the everybody

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same way now do you think that there's

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an underground base here or how do you

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account for this activity

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well there's there's three underground

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counter terrorist expert found one of

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them he's had his life threatened three

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times i won't say exactly where it is

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but that one's it's near flagstaff

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and it is there it's an underground base

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base uh

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uh i wouldn't call it a base i call it

283
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installation it's underneath uh

284
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clarkdale which is about 15 miles south

285
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of here

286
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and they are being

287
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run by extraterrestrials in the u.s

288
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military they've been seen together

289
00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:35,120
numerous times this is sort of like a

290
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localized version of dulce new mexico

291
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where they're supposed to be these

292
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underground

293
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chambers where the aliens are on one

294
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level and i guess the military is on

295
00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:47,680
another level and some levels they're

296
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there together so you you put stock in

297
00:11:54,550 --> 00:11:52,320
the theory that ufos are coming here

298
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from some other planet

299
00:11:58,790 --> 00:11:56,560
no actually probably probably they are

300
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coming a few are coming here from

301
00:12:02,630 --> 00:12:00,560
another planet but mostly most of them

302
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i'm convinced they're interdimensional

303
00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:03,360
uh

304
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system

305
00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:07,680
um

306
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straight south of where we we are right

307
00:12:13,509 --> 00:12:11,440
now there's a there's a tunnel system

308
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that runs from secret canyon which is

309
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actually you can actually see it from

310
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here

311
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jerome which is an old mining town

312
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and uh

313
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there's 77 miles of of dry mining

314
00:12:30,870 --> 00:12:27,839
tunnels under jerome and the deepest one

315
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is 4 200 feet under jerome

316
00:12:35,190 --> 00:12:33,519
so anything could be down there now do

317
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you think that these this must be some

318
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of them must be ancient tunnel systems

319
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then no these were all uh uh when jerome

320
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was a copper mining town

321
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uh the the about 1885 to about 1920. so

322
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the

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tunnels

324
00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:53,040
yeah that's my guess because of the main

325
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the main tunnel goes straight to jerome

326
00:13:02,069 --> 00:12:58,959
have these objects been seen going into

327
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the tunnels or near the tunnels well

328
00:13:06,389 --> 00:13:04,480
um the interesting thing is out the

329
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window here you can see secret mountain

330
00:13:12,629 --> 00:13:09,920
and the top of it was burned about 1992

331
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and uh at that time secret mountain was

332
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the center of

333
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ufo activity in arizona a fire started

334
00:13:20,629 --> 00:13:19,519
on secret mountain

335
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and

336
00:13:25,110 --> 00:13:22,959
the the forest service let it burn for

337
00:13:27,430 --> 00:13:25,120
seven days it made no attempt to put it

338
00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:27,440
out and the a friend of mine

339
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who is very prominent in the

340
00:13:34,710 --> 00:13:33,040
ufo lecture circuit had a friend in the

341
00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:34,720
sedona fire department and the sedona

342
00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:36,480
fire department was ordered

343
00:13:39,269 --> 00:13:37,920
not to fight it

344
00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:39,279
and who ordered them

345
00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:41,440
well he's not he's not sure probably

346
00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:43,200
somebody in the government

347
00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:44,800
so it burnt you're burned out of control

348
00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:46,720
for seven days and what is that they're

349
00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:49,120
trying to rid the uh rid the place of

350
00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,760
extraterrestrials well whatever

351
00:13:55,350 --> 00:13:53,600
yellow smoke was coming off secret

352
00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:55,360
mountain and forest fires never burned

353
00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:58,000
yellow so something burned on secret

354
00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:00,000
mountain and since that fire there has

355
00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:04,160
been zero ufo activity on secret um now

356
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:06,880
have you noticed any unusual uh

357
00:14:12,069 --> 00:14:09,519
government types or mib types men black

358
00:14:13,829 --> 00:14:12,079
types coming through sedona

359
00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:13,839
well in the late 80s and early 90s it

360
00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:15,199
was real common

361
00:14:19,829 --> 00:14:17,920
uh there were cia and fbi agents here

362
00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:19,839
almost all the time in the military it

363
00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:21,120
used to be uh

364
00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:22,320
there was there was something that

365
00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:23,839
happened here and i believe it was in uh

366
00:14:27,269 --> 00:14:25,320
it was memorial day

367
00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:27,279
1993.

368
00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:30,240
i think a ufo crashed near here is that

369
00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:32,240
right where we're about on house

370
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:34,480
mountain which is about three miles uh

371
00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:36,240
south of where we sit

372
00:14:40,790 --> 00:14:39,199
this town was alive with military

373
00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:40,800
military vehicles

374
00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:43,440
and uh uh attack helicopters flying at

375
00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:45,120
treetop level

376
00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:47,680
loaded with missiles and

377
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:50,079
i mean literally treetop level

378
00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:53,040
uh seven or eight of them in a line

379
00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:54,320
and uh

380
00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:56,800
military vehicles were everywhere down

381
00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:59,040
towards cottonwood so we think that

382
00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:00,160
um

383
00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:02,480
and there were military vehicles uh

384
00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:06,079
going north with uh the flat vents

385
00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:07,279
with a

386
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:09,760
wreckage of something underneath very

387
00:15:12,550 --> 00:15:10,880
thick

388
00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:12,560
rubber robert tapley

389
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:14,399
did you did you ever have somebody like

390
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:16,639
peter gersten who lives in uh in town

391
00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:18,320
here and who is the uh

392
00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:20,399
uh lawyer for cause the citizens against

393
00:15:24,389 --> 00:15:22,480
ufo uh secrecy do you know if he ever

394
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,399
tried to get any uh

395
00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,160
records for the freedom information act

396
00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:28,480
on it uh at the time peter was pretty

397
00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:30,160
much tied up with the stuff that he was

398
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:32,399
doing yeah because sorry i don't think

399
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,000
he had much interest in it because that

400
00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:35,839
would be interesting to see if dory of

401
00:15:38,949 --> 00:15:37,680
course if there was a ufo creation not

402
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:38,959
going to be telling us

403
00:15:42,629 --> 00:15:40,959
uh too readily

404
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:42,639
about it there seems to be an awful lot

405
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:45,199
of so many ufo crashes i mean these guys

406
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:46,959
can't fly too much better than weekend

407
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:49,519
it would it would uh it would look like

408
00:15:53,749 --> 00:15:51,360
well how about how about your own your

409
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:53,759
own experiences i mean you say what's

410
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:55,839
the closest sighting you ever had

411
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:58,000
well i've been on national tv about four

412
00:16:02,710 --> 00:15:59,759
times i think i saw you on the inside

413
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:02,720
edition was it the paranormal borderline

414
00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:03,680
okay

415
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:06,000
they did a reenactment of it but i was

416
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:07,680
coming back from the bradshaw ranch i

417
00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:09,519
spent about four years on the bradshaw

418
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,040
ranch and that was the world center for

419
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:13,440
paranormal activity for

420
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:15,120
probably six years

421
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:17,279
and uh i spent about four years almost

422
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:18,480
every night up there and it was an

423
00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:21,120
incredible experience we saw things and

424
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:22,959
photograph things out there that

425
00:16:25,829 --> 00:16:24,320
probably only a handful of people on

426
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,839
this planet have ever seen

427
00:16:30,069 --> 00:16:27,440
okay well let's let's talk about that

428
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:30,079
then uh what where was the bradshaw

429
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:32,320
ranch i understand now it's on

430
00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:33,920
government-owned property or it's

431
00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:35,839
government on land at the moment or but

432
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,320
where is it exactly and who noticed the

433
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,399
phenomena first and what exactly was

434
00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:42,720
going on there well the bradshaw ranch

435
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:45,759
is located uh between sedona and

436
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,160
cottonwood about five miles out in the

437
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:50,240
desert it's completely

438
00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:52,160
by itself and surrounded by national

439
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:53,920
forest

440
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,720
linda bradshaw noticed at first

441
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:58,880
she would drive in and out of the ranch

442
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:00,959
and she stopped there's a one point that

443
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,240
the the the views is pretty incredible

444
00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:06,880
so she stopped there even at one o'clock

445
00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:08,319
in the morning and what a full moon

446
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,319
night and look around at the view

447
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,480
but one night about a hundred balls of

448
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:14,640
light came

449
00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:17,839
blinked on down the valley 100 balls of

450
00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:19,360
light yeah small ones they're about six

451
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:21,360
inches like those lights we call them

452
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:22,880
yeah yeah these are completely visible

453
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:24,160
yeah

454
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,240
and they came up

455
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:28,880
and and i think came within about 50

456
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,559
yards over and then stopped and i

457
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:32,080
believe they disappeared i'm not i'm not

458
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,799
sure

459
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:34,400
so she's still alive

460
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,840
yeah she's living in montana

461
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:38,880
so

462
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:41,120
she uh went up there again the next

463
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:42,480
night brought a camera with her she

464
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,000
wasn't able to get any

465
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,640
back then like this pretty you know 35

466
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,720
millimeter cameras were real

467
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:50,240
yeah yeah

468
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,960
so

469
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,240
she tried to take pictures of them but

470
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:54,400
they came up they came again

471
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,720
and then she uh start

472
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,320
she was taking photographs around the

473
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:00,480
ranch and she started getting oars

474
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:03,280
and the uh org photography started here

475
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:05,440
in sedona in pine bush new york linda

476
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:06,799
bradley oh yeah i was up to pine bush

477
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:09,039
many times of course yes yeah

478
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:11,039
linda bradshaw and linda crystal started

479
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,080
warm flowers

480
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:13,679
of course yeah

481
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:16,559
and so since then it since then it's

482
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:19,360
spread all over the world and uh so

483
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:20,559
linda

484
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:23,360
bradshaw sent me some photographs

485
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,880
strange photographs that she'd gotten

486
00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:26,559
out there and they were orbs and i

487
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,840
thought yeah these are pretty pretty

488
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,600
unusual so i i've been wanting to go up

489
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,760
to bradshaw ranch anyway

490
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:33,039
so uh

491
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:34,880
i went out and uh started taking

492
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,480
photographs myself and i got some pretty

493
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,240
strange stuff

494
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:40,799
so that started a four-year research

495
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:42,080
project you have you have some of those

496
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:43,679
photos with you yeah all right well

497
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,000
let's take a look at them yeah every

498
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:48,559
case right in front over there

499
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:49,600
and um

500
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,760
we'll hold up to the camera and you want

501
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:53,760
to tell people about your books as well

502
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,559
so they can order them offline or online

503
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:58,480
uh but let's see let's see what you have

504
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:01,120
there and um

505
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:02,559
you could maybe describe them a little

506
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:03,600
bit as you

507
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:10,870
yeah all right let me i'll actually i'm

508
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:14,320
going to show one that's uh

509
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,360
uh

510
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,510
okay these aren't the ones that were

511
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:21,120
taking the bradshaw ranch but these are

512
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,789
but these these are taking on a recent

513
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:31,200
tour i do ufo tours out near the

514
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,720
bradshaw ranch

515
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:35,039
and uh to finish what we started the

516
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,640
bradshaw ranch was bought by the us

517
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,080
government eight years ago and they shut

518
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,480
it down it's completely closed and it's

519
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:43,280
it's uh it really is falling apart

520
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:44,160
uh

521
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:45,919
now the government bought it yeah why

522
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:48,000
would they buy it well

523
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,360
they were going to turn it and turn it

524
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:51,039
into a campground and they never did

525
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:51,840
yeah

526
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,280
so it's of course it's it's uh

527
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:57,280
run by the uh the forest service but

528
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:58,400
it's the government that owns it there

529
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,440
are signs

530
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,000
that these are amazing photographs yeah

531
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,600
yeah it looks like if i didn't know

532
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:06,000
better it looks like a painting yeah all

533
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:07,280
right but it's not a painting i can

534
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,880
attest to that all right all right i

535
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,400
have i have hundreds of these

536
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,840
one that just came out

537
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,679
this was taken about a year ago

538
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:14,880
now do you think that these are

539
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,840
spacecraft or are to me they look um i

540
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,640
don't know if you know um

541
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:22,880
james constable who wrote they live in

542
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,200
the sky many years ago he talked about

543
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,880
there being um

544
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,520
space animals or space creatures that uh

545
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,679
uh you know are actually living uh

546
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,360
out here you know i actually have a cop

547
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,799
i have a photograph of one of those

548
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,120
kinds of things it's probably one of the

549
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,600
few in existence um

550
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,480
have you ever heard of intelligent dust

551
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,110
thus that records things no

552
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:50,720
okay you'll have to look it up on the

553
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,919
internet

554
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:54,159
well my opinion of orbs is that that

555
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,520
they're uh

556
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,799
they're they're they're they're

557
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,720
intelligent beings i have interacted

558
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,039
with oral i mean and they have a

559
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,159
a pretty high level of intelligence

560
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,000
i mean by high level i would say about

561
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,080
that of a dog something like something

562
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:11,280
like that because we have played morse

563
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:13,120
code games

564
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,000
and

565
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,080
well i did that when i was in warminster

566
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,799
in england we actually um signaled to a

567
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:21,120
um uh an object in the sky i don't know

568
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,559
whether it was an orb now there's a good

569
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:23,840
one what do we have there that looks

570
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,880
like a more structured craft well

571
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:28,799
uh

572
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,280
well this this one is okay

573
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,159
uh let me see what

574
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:36,080
um

575
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,200
okay

576
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,280
uh

577
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,600
this one okay this is one that's

578
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,480
this this is used on on the book the

579
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,240
back of my book and what's the title of

580
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,720
the book uh emerging dimensions

581
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,280
linda bradshaw and i wrote this

582
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,039
uh about this all about the bradshaw

583
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,120
ranch and then this book is all about

584
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:57,120
the bradshaw ranch mysterious sedona

585
00:22:02,789 --> 00:21:59,120
this is all bradshaw ranch

586
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,799
uh but this is this this photograph uh

587
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,400
when i when i did a lot of lectures

588
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,240
around the west this is one of the most

589
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,600
interesting ones

590
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,000
but i what linda bradshaw and i would do

591
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:11,600
is walk around the ranch and just burn

592
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,720
up 35 millimeter film and then next day

593
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,440
look

594
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:17,200
see what developed the stuff we couldn't

595
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:18,480
see right

596
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,840
so so what this is is an open field here

597
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,600
and uh

598
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,200
this is a photograph that i took so the

599
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:28,000
next day we we developed the uh the

600
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,960
film

601
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,559
and i'm looking at this and wait a

602
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,000
minute what the heck is that so here's a

603
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,520
sandal foot

604
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,880
uh now this is this is the middle of the

605
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,520
wheel yeah it's about 20 degrees okay so

606
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,840
there's a pant leg here

607
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,080
i see that i see that uh-huh yeah

608
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,840
there's an arm coming down here and

609
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:44,799
whatever

610
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,559
thing it's either i think it's either a

611
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:49,520
weapon

612
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:53,120
or um a device that keeps it invisible

613
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,320
so here's the other half of the

614
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,000
photograph i had to cut and paste here

615
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,080
so you can see both sides but on the

616
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,640
other one it looks like a pair of pants

617
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,240
with lanyards and all that so there's

618
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,919
this on one half the photograph and this

619
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,520
on the other half

620
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,400
so um you know

621
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,919
it's pretty strange but but that was

622
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,080
nothing there when when i

623
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,679
you know i didn't see anything so you

624
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,760
you have actually gotten um

625
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,400
uh photos of beings as well as uh the

626
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,840
ships yeah this is probably

627
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,440
if i can find it

628
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,000
this is probably the only i consider the

629
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:28,320
only actual photograph

630
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,360
of

631
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,120
a uh

632
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:32,640
an interdimensional

633
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,510
uh well while i'm looking for this this

634
00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:43,440
is probably one of the best

635
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,280
the most interesting photographs i have

636
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,640
is this one here and some of the best

637
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:48,080
photographers in the world have looked

638
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,039
at this

639
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,720
i mean top top movie producers and uh

640
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,400
and directors and this one totally

641
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,480
baffles them and this was done way this

642
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,480
is way better well what is that

643
00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:00,240
no i don't have any ideas taken by a

644
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,280
woman in illinois wow but uh

645
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,000
this is way before photoshop uh

646
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,159
this is what rock here uh this is in

647
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,520
boynton canyon

648
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,600
patina woman rock

649
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,240
and uh this literally some of the

650
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,840
world's photo experts have looked at

651
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:18,000
this and they're completely baffled

652
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,440
usually somebody will say oh it's a

653
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:21,039
light leak it's a speck of dust on the

654
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,640
camera or something like that

655
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,720
but all of that was checked out and it

656
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,159
isn't

657
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:27,919
in fact when i first got this photograph

658
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,640
i went to a

659
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,200
camera shop a laboratory and we tried to

660
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,640
figure out how this this could be a

661
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,840
light leak

662
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,520
and they after a while they gave up and

663
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,720
they said they just said it's not a

664
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,559
light leak but whatever it is it's not a

665
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,000
lightly so

666
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,000
so it's an incredible photograph and

667
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,440
it's really it's really gotten around

668
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,320
the internet it's all over the internet

669
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,039
um oh and this uh oh interestingly

670
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,520
enough his this other part [\h__\h] his

671
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:55,039
this photograph what i just showed you

672
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,520
now this was taken about a year ago by a

673
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,279
woman from uh

674
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,320
oregon and it's the same shape as this

675
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,520
other object here but they were taken 10

676
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,960
years apart

677
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,600
so it's basically the same thing

678
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:11,120
there was a movie years ago called

679
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:12,400
kronos

680
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,840
where they had a giant something or

681
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,600
other like that come out of the earth

682
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,520
yeah yeah this is maybe they watched the

683
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,120
aliens watch that movie or something

684
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,880
yeah well we have strange things that

685
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,720
happen here i mean this sedona is a

686
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,240
strange place

687
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,039
uh it's not quite as as dramatic as it

688
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,360
used to be but uh

689
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,120
oh there's there's some wild patterns

690
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,880
there yeah well this

691
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,760
uh

692
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,720
okay this supposedly i was getting a lot

693
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,159
of these for a while and these these

694
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,919
kind of folks these these photographs

695
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,880
can be hoaxed yeah but i i know i know

696
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,039
they are hopes yeah uh because i know

697
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,559
the people that took them

698
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,880
uh and i i was i get

699
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,640
photographs sent to me by people from

700
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,480
all over the world some of these i took

701
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,000
but mostly i didn't

702
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,000
when i in fact i mentioned just a while

703
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,559
ago when i was in warminster england and

704
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,799
we were signaling to this craft

705
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,080
when i developed the um photographs not

706
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,279
of the object because it was too far

707
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,600
away to see but when i developed the the

708
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,760
photographs of that role i took out on

709
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,240
cradle hill there uh one or two of the

710
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,440
last shots had stuff like that in it and

711
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,279
there were no houses in the area there

712
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,120
were no um

713
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,960
uh street lamps there was nobody you

714
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,240
know throwing a cigarette but that's a

715
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,760
good way to get a little uh mothership

716
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,000
to go across this yeah mostly uh the

717
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,240
photo you know so i don't know who knows

718
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,240
what it was but uh some weird stuff

719
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,840
going on you know yeah

720
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,080
well this this one uh

721
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,159
this was taken at a rock concert in ohio

722
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,640
and this one was taken by a guy in

723
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,120
florida

724
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,440
so yeah this uh interesting stuff let me

725
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:44,960
see what else i got here come up with

726
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,990
uh this is uh

727
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,760
this is kind of odd we these two

728
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,360
photographs here we this is the sort of

729
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,720
stuff we got on the branch of our ranch

730
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,080
these are beans that were standing right

731
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,320
in front of us that we couldn't see

732
00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,480
uh and this this this photograph on the

733
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,440
left

734
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,880
there was a man standing in front

735
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,320
probably less than three feet in front

736
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,600
of me because the focal length of the

737
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:07,039
camera was about three and a half feet

738
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,240
so anything yeah these are probably not

739
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,760
going to come out so uh too clear but

740
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,960
i'm sure they're in one of your books

741
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,440
right so yeah that will yeah hopefully

742
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,840
people will get the uh the the books you

743
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,840
know yep there's one here i do want to

744
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,960
show

745
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,520
this one is uh that is a reflection off

746
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,559
again

747
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,760
can you see that yeah i'm getting it

748
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:25,760
yeah yeah there was a japanese film crew

749
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,230
they uh uh a friend of mine took this

750
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,640
photograph and all of that stuff you can

751
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,159
see wasn't there

752
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,440
the japanese film crews over here to my

753
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:41,360
right here that's where the japanese

754
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,559
film crew is

755
00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:44,559
and uh right after that they interviewed

756
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,400
me and they had lights set up and it was

757
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,880
about nine nine o'clock at night and a

758
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:51,600
ufo materialized right behind them

759
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,279
and uh this was on the video yeah yeah

760
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,440
and uh

761
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,240
so um i tried to uh

762
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,440
they uh after the the cameraman was so

763
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,640
shaken up

764
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,760
you know he had a hundred thousand

765
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,000
dollar camera so he got probably got the

766
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,919
ufo full frame

767
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,240
it was red and white the ufo

768
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:14,000
uh and it was tilted at about a 10

769
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,279
degree angle

770
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,520
and uh he was he was so shaking he could

771
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,039
hardly speak and one of the other guys

772
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,880
had to say he's he's really excited

773
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,200
because he's never seen the ufo before

774
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,360
now what is the the photo on the bottom

775
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,120
here this more it looks more like your

776
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,919
structure type ufos well that was taken

777
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,360
right here in sedona by a friend of

778
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,679
mine's retired cia agent

779
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,799
and these are basically rods and i i

780
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,399
personally i think rods are absolutely

781
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,480
real they're not bugs flying in front of

782
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,840
lights i think

783
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,919
that rods are real and so he took these

784
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,000
in his backyard

785
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,799
over about a one month period

786
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:51,039
have any of the tourists that uh come

787
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,240
here have they managed to get they've

788
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,520
managed to get photographers as well

789
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,720
obviously right

790
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,159
yeah a lot of times they don't know what

791
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,960
it is they uh take it home and you know

792
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,880
there's something on there sometimes i

793
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,640
end up seeing them and sometimes i don't

794
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,360
but but uh

795
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,360
now is there any way to

796
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:09,200
uh okay let's say if i'm taking one of

797
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:10,159
your uh

798
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,840
uh jeep tours

799
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,760
your tours here around sedona is there

800
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:15,279
any way that you've found to bring them

801
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,159
down

802
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,760
i mean no we've tried everything and

803
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,679
nothing works yeah i know i know about

804
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,279
stephen greer and the stuff he does and

805
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,840
we we've tried that stuff too with

806
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,440
actually you know now that you mentioned

807
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,600
it one thing they don't like

808
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,679
right because i about a month ago i

809
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,000
actually did this i have a green laser

810
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,240
and green lasers are 5 000 times more

811
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,679
powerful than a red laser and you can

812
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,720
actually buy

813
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,399
on the internet now green lasers that

814
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,200
are weapons grade lasers but the one eye

815
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:43,440
is 5 000 times more powerful than a red

816
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,720
laser and i've actually shined this uh

817
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,120
green laser on ufos they they absolutely

818
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:51,279
do not like green lasers

819
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,840
they won't stick around

820
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,120
um so

821
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,039
that's the only thing that other than

822
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,039
flashing lights on the bradshaw ranch

823
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,640
about three million candle power

824
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,200
spotlights that's really the only

825
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,720
thing we've ever done that's gotten a

826
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,360
reaction as far as as being able to you

827
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,559
know get them to come closer or whatever

828
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:11,840
well let's talk a little bit more about

829
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:16,000
the bradshaw uh ranch um how uh how many

830
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,279
people had sightings there what were the

831
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:19,440
most dramatic ones

832
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,559
oh

833
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,640
this is that travel constable photograph

834
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,399
that i have is there are very few of

835
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,840
these in existence but this is one of

836
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:28,799
the living amoeba-like ufos

837
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:34,149
well

838
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,279
hundreds and hundreds of people out at

839
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,919
the bradshaw ranch we invited scientists

840
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,360
and

841
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,840
psychics channelers you know the works

842
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,279
just to see what

843
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,600
what would happen with that those many

844
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,840
people out there and see what would uh

845
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,520
manifest

846
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,799
um

847
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,240
you know that you'd almost have to read

848
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,159
my book my books are full of the things

849
00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:00,080
that happened

850
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,880
but

851
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,640
the most dramatic thing that happened on

852
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,960
the ranch but we we noticed that we knew

853
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,880
that if there were more than six people

854
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,559
on out there nothing would happen

855
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,399
whatever whatever the phenomenon was

856
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,760
they didn't like a lot of people to be

857
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,640
around

858
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,039
so we were trying to have six people or

859
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:18,080
less on the ranch and one night uh

860
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,840
people asked me if anything that was

861
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:22,080
anything really scary ever happened and

862
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,279
uh

863
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:25,360
we were never hurt in any way i think

864
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,440
that that uh we we learned that uh

865
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,679
once you have you don't have no fear of

866
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:32,960
these things

867
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,520
they're uh they they'll manifest and

868
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,760
they'll come a lot closer

869
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:39,120
so

870
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,559
uh one night we uh

871
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,120
was only linda and i and they they have

872
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,000
seven dogs that uh that

873
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,919
lived on the ranch and at the time a

874
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,440
stray dog that came out of the race they

875
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,960
would keep it

876
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,679
so

877
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,080
uh the dogs would bury themselves in the

878
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,159
sand in the summer it was it was cool

879
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,519
and in

880
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,120
in the winter it was warm there were

881
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:02,960
outside dogs

882
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,679
so um

883
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:07,679
one night we heard a growl

884
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,640
a really loud growl and we linda and i

885
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,360
were debating whether it was a

886
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,080
you know a javelina a bear a mountain or

887
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,080
what we could we couldn't quite

888
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,039
we couldn't tell you know and uh

889
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,440
so there was an apple orchard in front

890
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:25,600
of us and whatever this thing was was

891
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,159
making a circle around the apple orchard

892
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,840
and uh this is the only night that we

893
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,960
were really

894
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,440
had any fear uh linda actually went in

895
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,200
and got a gun

896
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,200
uh for the four four years we spent out

897
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,640
there that's the only night anything

898
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,480
really scary happened

899
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:42,000
but the uh

900
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,880
uh

901
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,080
the creature

902
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,840
he got about halfway around the airport

903
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:48,159
orchard and it it made a roar like an

904
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,519
african lion

905
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,360
scared the hell out of us

906
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,360
and uh uh you know if you ever heard of

907
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,240
an african lion roar and a zoo

908
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,559
they can be heard literally miles away

909
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,320
in the jungle i'm sure they can be heard

910
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,240
you know three or four miles away

911
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,840
so this thing roared like an african

912
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:05,679
lion we knew we were in trouble there we

913
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:06,799
knew something

914
00:33:12,029 --> 00:33:09,679
really big was going on and the dogs all

915
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,039
seven of them jumped up

916
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,799
simultaneously and took off on a dead

917
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,880
run toward the

918
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,799
the uh the creature

919
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,200
and uh

920
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,720
so

921
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:24,080
linda and i couldn't do anything but

922
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,600
just stand there and wait we thought we

923
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,519
were going to hurt hear dogs being torn

924
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:28,960
to pieces

925
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,880
the next thing you know and actually

926
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,360
no there was no sound whatsoever after

927
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,200
about 10 minutes all the dogs just came

928
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,799
trotting back and laid down so whatever

929
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,399
that creature was they were familiar

930
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:39,679
with it

931
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,039
so there was a a uh a horse corral that

932
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,720
went into the ranch and a horse car out

933
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,240
the other end of the ranch and uh they

934
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,519
each had uh two to five horses

935
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,919
but as the creature got close to the the

936
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,720
horses uh he was following a dry creek

937
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,799
as it got close to the the uh the horses

938
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,399
at the south end of the ranch the horses

939
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,840
started screaming

940
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,279
and it's like i've told people if you've

941
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,320
never heard a horse scream like a woman

942
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,960
it's it's a scary sound

943
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,560
and the horses were screaming and trying

944
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,639
to kick their way out of the corral the

945
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,159
corral was that

946
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:14,240
twelve by two boards i think they were

947
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,839
trying to kick their way out of it the

948
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,200
creature was getting really close to

949
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,679
them and and the horses at the north in

950
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,000
the ranch simultaneously started uh

951
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:24,800
screaming now when you say creature

952
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,000
did anybody actually see it

953
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,119
well we uh got close to it

954
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,599
whatever it was about 10 feet tall it

955
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:35,440
weighed about a thousand pounds if that

956
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,480
it left tracks it did cross a knoll and

957
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,480
left round tracks

958
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,879
and it took us a few days to figure out

959
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,359
that it was a bigfoot type like creature

960
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,599
that was standing on his tiptoes i have

961
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,599
photographs of these tracks and you can

962
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,159
actually see the the the ridge lines

963
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,560
with the veins and all that work

964
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,359
so uh we walked down there as close as

965
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,839
we we dared to with our three million

966
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,760
power

967
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,000
flat of spotlights

968
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,200
and uh mine died and linda's linda's

969
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,200
spotlight was getting a little bit low

970
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:11,200
and what we didn't know there was a

971
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,800
line of trees in front of us we thought

972
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,320
the creature was in the trees but it

973
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,320
wasn't it was on the ridge looking down

974
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,960
up at us and only his head was above the

975
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,160
ridge

976
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,119
so if we had if we had night vision uh

977
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,040
binoculars at that time

978
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,640
uh we would have seen it

979
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:28,720
but it after that it left and then the

980
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,599
next day we went up there yeah now i um

981
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,760
i in my during my own investigations

982
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,560
i've

983
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,800
discovered we have quite a few of these

984
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,040
what we call invisible uh beings i mean

985
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,160
uh sometimes they do manifest um

986
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,560
as physical form excuse me and they can

987
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:46,240
take out all kinds of appearances from

988
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,359
very um

989
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,520
human looking entities to

990
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,560
uh things that are uh frightening to the

991
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,800
one to visualize if one is not familiar

992
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,320
with with this

993
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,320
so i have a lot of uh their presence

994
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,680
been noted there do you think it's one

995
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,760
group or more than one group that's

996
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,000
well you know linda bradshaw's theory

997
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,040
was that the bradshaw ranch was a portal

998
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,560
from other dimensions and i think that's

999
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:10,400
what it was creatures and beings from

1000
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:11,599
other dimensions

1001
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,839
would come out through that portal and

1002
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,680
be on the ranch like halloween every

1003
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,240
night yeah yeah and she could feel them

1004
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,839
and we could smell them once in a while

1005
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,040
that was weird

1006
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,400
i mean there'd be smell there'd be a a

1007
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:27,119
burning and tower was one odor and roses

1008
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,240
was another

1009
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:30,320
then the winter you'd suddenly smell

1010
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:31,440
like you were in the middle of a rose

1011
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,400
garden

1012
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,760
smell roses well now that's kind of

1013
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,760
funny too because um

1014
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,599
uh in a lot of the apparitions like the

1015
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,320
virgin mary and all they smell the uh

1016
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:42,240
the the roses or sometimes you can see

1017
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,760
the rose petals uh falling down from

1018
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,920
the sky you know so that seems to be one

1019
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,200
scent uh

1020
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:51,200
of sulfur

1021
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,200
well you know there was there was a one

1022
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,280
night i went back into my van to reload

1023
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,320
my camera the 35 millimeter camera and

1024
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,079
there was a uh a tower-like smell

1025
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:06,160
we could we smelled it earlier in the

1026
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:07,839
evening and whatever it was followed me

1027
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,280
into the van it gets to get so strong

1028
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,200
whatever that creature was it was it was

1029
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,720
in the van with me

1030
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:16,880
and as i was as i was reloading my

1031
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,000
camera i snapped it shut and we had the

1032
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,880
habit of putting our finger over the red

1033
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,119
or green light so that you couldn't see

1034
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,200
the flash was powered up

1035
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,440
and what i did was i still regret this

1036
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:31,119
to the day this to this day because i

1037
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,119
think i heard something very badly

1038
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,119
i had my finger over the the power the

1039
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:39,040
flash power up light i spun around real

1040
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,400
quick in the in the

1041
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,400
the open doors my van took a picture and

1042
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,720
there was an explosion if you can if you

1043
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,119
can visualize a daisy about four feet

1044
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,000
across this thing exploded and it looked

1045
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,839
like a daisy and then it just it just

1046
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,920
wilted it just kind of collapsed like

1047
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,960
that

1048
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,960
so i whatever it was i took something

1049
00:38:03,109 --> 00:37:59,599
completely by surprise i think i heard

1050
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:03,119
something with flash very badly

1051
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,720
so okay where you say interdimensional i

1052
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,800
mean is there do they

1053
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,119
where do where do they uh like live or

1054
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,960
reside or do they live in the sense that

1055
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,400
we think of i mean do they have an

1056
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,240
intelligence behind them

1057
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:18,000
well you know it's like linda said it

1058
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,280
was sometimes like being in the middle

1059
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,640
of new york city but you couldn't see

1060
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,720
the beings but you you could feel them

1061
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,400
walking around us and chances are they

1062
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,720
could see us and we couldn't see them

1063
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,160
um

1064
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:30,560
uh at times it was it was it was pretty

1065
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:34,320
dramatic i mean you could literally feel

1066
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:35,119
uh

1067
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,240
beings

1068
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,560
are all around you and chances are we

1069
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,800
were there there might have been a place

1070
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,119
where dimensions crossed and they might

1071
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:44,480
have been aware of us they might not

1072
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,359
have been

1073
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,359
but we an incident that happened and it

1074
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,920
happened here a year ago on july 9th

1075
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:52,240
uh linda and i were where uh this is

1076
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,870
about 1994

1077
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,680
linda and i and another and a girl were

1078
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,560
on the bradshaw ranch and

1079
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:07,119
i had gone back to my van to reload my

1080
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:08,320
camera again

1081
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,359
and uh

1082
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,520
linda and the girl were

1083
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,839
oh maybe 50 yards from me with

1084
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,320
spotlights and the dogs got up and

1085
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,320
charged something again

1086
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,599
and so

1087
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,079
i went back and by then

1088
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,400
uh the the linda and the girl were

1089
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,359
shining the spotlight back and forth and

1090
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,680
their lights fell on this man he'd been

1091
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,440
standing uh

1092
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,520
in the apple orchard by a fence post all

1093
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,040
probably all the time we've been out

1094
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,119
there which was ours

1095
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:38,880
so

1096
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,839
uh the dogs were catching up to him and

1097
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,839
he walked diagonally away from us we got

1098
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,760
a good look at him he was brown it was

1099
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,160
about five foot six

1100
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:50,880
brown hair brown skin brown clothes

1101
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:53,920
brown shoes brown pants everything was a

1102
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,040
light brown color the dogs caught up

1103
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,150
and when they caught up to him he was

1104
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,680
standing by a yucca bush so i know

1105
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,839
exactly how tall he was and he never

1106
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:08,000
turned his face towards us

1107
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,599
just walked diagonally away from us kept

1108
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,760
his face so we couldn't see it

1109
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,960
and uh

1110
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,359
obviously whatever it was didn't want us

1111
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,960
to see his face

1112
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,640
so as soon as the dogs caught up with

1113
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,400
him unfortunately they moved the

1114
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,160
spotlight so we didn't didn't see the

1115
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,839
instant the dog caught it and dogs

1116
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,200
caught up with it

1117
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,640
but

1118
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,599
the man

1119
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:29,920
or whatever this creature was vanished

1120
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,880
instantly right by the yucca plant

1121
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,359
so the the dogs milled around and came

1122
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,599
back

1123
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,079
and then uh the next day we went down

1124
00:40:44,310 --> 00:40:41,760
there and there were no human tracks

1125
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,320
there the the dirt was uh

1126
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,160
uh

1127
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,480
pumice powder

1128
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,480
uh you know light anything would have

1129
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,480
left the track and there were no

1130
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,560
human tracks there so

1131
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,400
whatever it was didn't leave tracks in

1132
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,960
the ground there's only dog tracks there

1133
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,280
so a year ago july 9th and this is in

1134
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,400
the mufon journal the creature ran

1135
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,680
this july 9th 2009. the creature ran

1136
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,599
right through downtown sedona and it was

1137
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,200
the same creature

1138
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,800
it was all brown

1139
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:15,040
and actually didn't make the papers

1140
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,400
no no

1141
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,480
oh yeah no that stuff never happened i

1142
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,160
used to joke that they they could they

1143
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,480
could drag a crashed ufo behind a pickup

1144
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,160
truck in downtown sedona and they'd

1145
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,319
never put in the paper yeah

1146
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,960
so so uh

1147
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,000
uh

1148
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,000
the creature ran through downtown and he

1149
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,760
and he he was going through across the

1150
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,920
parking lot and he evidently came

1151
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,079
eyeball eyeball with a man

1152
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,920
and he said the guy said in no way was

1153
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:41,520
this creature a human

1154
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,440
it had huge black eyes and it it moved

1155
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,520
way way way too fast for human you know

1156
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,520
did you you interviewed the witness no i

1157
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,680
don't know but yeah it was in the muslin

1158
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:53,280
journal

1159
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,240
you know

1160
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,760
but man i didn't even know about it

1161
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,920
until a couple years ago somebody called

1162
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,359
me and read it to me out of the muslin

1163
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,599
journal so

1164
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,920
uh yeah that stuff has used to happen

1165
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,440
around here a lot

1166
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,440
why do you think it's not happening so

1167
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,920
frequently anymore too many people

1168
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,760
too many bright lights too many people

1169
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,960
you know too many bright lights too many

1170
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,800
people this is

1171
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,520
five times the people here now as well i

1172
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,800
noticed that i've been coming here maybe

1173
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,200
20 years or more it's hard to get into

1174
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,280
town

1175
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,800
yeah yeah and they can the places that

1176
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,720
used to be like boynton canyon used to

1177
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,119
be you know sheer magic you know almost

1178
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,119
nothing happens there now because

1179
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,200
there's people here all the time so it's

1180
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,040
just too many people

1181
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,040
but obviously the word got out about all

1182
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,040
this the sub degree and then people

1183
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,520
started coming

1184
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,440
well i mean it wasn't just the ufos

1185
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,480
obviously but uh uh this is one of the

1186
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,960
the the strongholds for the new age here

1187
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,960
i mean i can't think of maybe outside of

1188
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,800
roswell any other city that you can go

1189
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:53,520
to

1190
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,480
or crystal shop on every corner there

1191
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,720
used to be 26 uh

1192
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,119
metaphysical bookstores here

1193
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,000
now now they're far less yeah well

1194
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,000
that's the uh the the demise of the

1195
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,319
bookstore yeah uh no matter where you go

1196
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:11,839
you know pretty soon we're going to have

1197
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:13,520
to go back to what the native americans

1198
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,839
did in leaving our message on the rocks

1199
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,760
that'll be the uh

1200
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,280
the the way it said well you know

1201
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,960
richard shaver who believed that there

1202
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,040
was all this underground civilization he

1203
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,880
claimed that by cutting rocks in half he

1204
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,480
could actually see paintings of all

1205
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,760
these things that happened you know

1206
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:31,920
civilizations ago in atlantis and moo

1207
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,960
and so forth maybe we've got maybe maybe

1208
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,480
some of these rocks also contain some

1209
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,560
information beyond what's just you know

1210
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,319
actually carved on them maybe we'll end

1211
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,319
up going back to doing uh you know doing

1212
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,599
that in the future we'll have to leave

1213
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,920
it on for future people to read because

1214
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,680
there won't be any books anymore yet

1215
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,200
you'll either have to have a kendall or

1216
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,920
a rock that'll be the uh the trick yeah

1217
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,839
but but you but you you do you think

1218
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,760
that they're still here and they're just

1219
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,920
not visible or or have they gone back

1220
00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:00,000
into their portal

1221
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,359
well

1222
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,880
they're still here but they they're

1223
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:05,040
they've it's retreated way back into

1224
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:06,400
remote areas

1225
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,880
now the one place here that's

1226
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,520
is hasn't changed is sycamore canyon

1227
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,920
sycamore canyon is a scary place there's

1228
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,160
things going on in sycamore canyon there

1229
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,319
have been a lot of alien abductions in

1230
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,400
sycamore canyon and just super

1231
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:23,760
paranormal

1232
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,000
uh activity they're taking the tourists

1233
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,000
the objections

1234
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,079
no no you don't want we don't want you

1235
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:33,440
know you don't want to say no no no now

1236
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:34,640
you don't want to mention the last six

1237
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,839
tourists that disappeared no no no

1238
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,839
no the last there have been people found

1239
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:42,560
dead in sycamore canyon with no no

1240
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,079
reason for uh they're just dead

1241
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,839
uh

1242
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,920
probably with hikers

1243
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,280
but

1244
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,079
sycamore canyon is if the abductions

1245
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,640
have stopped stopped 15 years ago most

1246
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,839
the abduction there hasn't been an

1247
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,440
abduction around here that i know of in

1248
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,880
15 years

1249
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,119
but the strange activity strange lights

1250
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,119
and things flying out of in sycamore

1251
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,520
canyon still happens a lot and it's it's

1252
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:10,319
a strange place you you put any stock in

1253
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,359
channeling

1254
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,200
yeah i used to teach it

1255
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,720
used to teach it

1256
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,800
and and so what does your your uh who do

1257
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,280
you who did you or do you channel and

1258
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,200
what did they say

1259
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,760
well uh i got bored of channeling after

1260
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,960
a while because i didn't know where the

1261
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,960
information was coming from so i stopped

1262
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:29,040
doing that about 15 years ago but it's a

1263
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,160
it's a

1264
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,240
there are a handful of authentic

1265
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,000
channels in the world really authentic

1266
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:35,680
they really are channeling the higher

1267
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,560
being i would say a dozen at the most

1268
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,560
unfortunately most channels i think are

1269
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,119
channeling their own subconscious

1270
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:45,680
do you you say okay are these higher

1271
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:48,079
beings here some of them

1272
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,960
uh

1273
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:49,839
you mean

1274
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,560
spiritual and sedona yeah

1275
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,480
oh i'm sure there is they're everywhere

1276
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,839
but you know my focus has been

1277
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:58,000
extraterrestrials and they're not also

1278
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,280
good

1279
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,960
um well

1280
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:02,000
you know

1281
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,960
um

1282
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,960
i'll make a comparison here

1283
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,560
you know the gorman ranch in utah

1284
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:09,359
skinwalker yes of course yeah well the

1285
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,839
the the at the time

1286
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,400
uh

1287
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,560
when the skinwalker ranch started linda

1288
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,560
bradshaw and i have been on the bradshaw

1289
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,640
ranch for four years studying the exact

1290
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,040
same thing we offered when we found out

1291
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,480
what was going on on skin rock

1292
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,720
skinwalker ranch we offered

1293
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,800
to uh go up there and

1294
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,200
consult with them we have we had a vast

1295
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,960
experience with this stuff and they

1296
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,960
completely ignored us

1297
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,720
uh which we still to this day don't

1298
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,560
understand because we had a vast

1299
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,720
knowledge of experience with these these

1300
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,720
creatures and these things do they do

1301
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,880
the same ones up there no

1302
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,040
well that's that that's that's the point

1303
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,040
whatever happened on the the uh the

1304
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,760
gorman ranch was absolute evil

1305
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,960
i mean the the worst evil and on the

1306
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:56,480
bradshaw ranch is the same kind of

1307
00:47:01,109 --> 00:47:00,079
activity but it was it was totally uh uh

1308
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:01,119
uh

1309
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,839
yeah

1310
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,400
and uh

1311
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,839
yeah it was benevolent it was very it

1312
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,480
was very uh very uh

1313
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:11,359
very non uh harmful

1314
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:12,079
so

1315
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:12,880
uh

1316
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,240
it's a it's a curious thing because that

1317
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,440
those two things are going on at the

1318
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,839
same time then in the san luis valley in

1319
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,839
colorado yeah in fact i'm interviewing

1320
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,839
chris o'brien tomorrow yeah i'm going to

1321
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,160
see him in his house

1322
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,920
uh well warminster england where i

1323
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,000
mentioned that we had signal to this ufo

1324
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,680
the same thing people were hearing

1325
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,520
footsteps behind them they turned around

1326
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,000
they would see a like big brush

1327
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,839
part yeah and like somebody was walking

1328
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:39,520
through but of course uh nobody was

1329
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,400
visible uh there they did see this one

1330
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,440
time a giant being of some sort when he

1331
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,000
passed through a barbed wire fence

1332
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,040
which i guess didn't hurt him um

1333
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,200
they could see the outline of this being

1334
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,119
and he was like you know 10 or 11 feet

1335
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:56,720
uh tall

1336
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,560
well when uh when uh

1337
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,119
boynton canyon was real active there

1338
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:04,960
were there were creatures back there

1339
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,560
virgil armstrong

1340
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,480
who died about it

1341
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,319
yeah he passed away yeah about a year

1342
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,440
ago

1343
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:13,680
virgil i went back there about

1344
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,040
1990 by around 1990 and had a really

1345
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,200
amazing experience with

1346
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,520
the i don't think they were big foot

1347
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,720
creatures either they were just some

1348
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:24,240
kind of a creature that was very very

1349
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,280
large

1350
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,440
and we followed two of these creatures

1351
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,640
uh

1352
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,839
you couldn't really see them but you

1353
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,319
could sense them easily because this the

1354
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,520
energy is it and the the size they were

1355
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:37,119
and i've taken tours back there and the

1356
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:40,559
whole group could see the being

1357
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,599
mentally

1358
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,680
so originally i followed two of those

1359
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,400
beings and one of them uh went away real

1360
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,240
fast but another one went up on top of a

1361
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,720
ridge where we closed our ledge

1362
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,040
where we couldn't get to

1363
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,800
and uh

1364
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,760
we uh we walked as we would walk towards

1365
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,160
that ledge we did it a half a dozen

1366
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,319
times and the pressure on our chest got

1367
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,559
so great we we couldn't couldn't breathe

1368
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,640
we'd back off and we could breathe and

1369
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,720
walk towards that ledge and whatever

1370
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,240
this this energy was coming from the

1371
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:12,559
creature probably a defensive thing

1372
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:16,800
but uh i have seen uh

1373
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,760
creatures i would say

1374
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,160
the tallest one was probably i'd

1375
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,880
estimate 20 feet tall it was invisible

1376
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,559
it was invisible

1377
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:28,079
this is weird

1378
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:29,839
and i talked to a rancher here that was

1379
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,359
uh here in 1949 he reluctantly said you

1380
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,839
know i had the same experience you did

1381
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,359
when i was out rounding up cattle one

1382
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,680
time so for him to admit that

1383
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,680
you know redneck arizona ranch you know

1384
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,680
that was pretty significant but this

1385
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,000
thing i said this is a very long story

1386
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,240
but to make this story short

1387
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,920
i was camped out there

1388
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,400
and a creature walked through

1389
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,680
dry trees

1390
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:55,040
pine trees

1391
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,760
and

1392
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,520
by the sound that it made i would

1393
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,040
estimate the thing was as tall as the

1394
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:01,119
trees it was about 20 feet and you could

1395
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:02,000
hear

1396
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,910
so i went to where i had a vantage point

1397
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,599
i turned on my spotlight the thing

1398
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,880
stopped

1399
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,319
didn't make no sound so i knew the thing

1400
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:15,839
was watching me

1401
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,640
it kind of made me real nervous

1402
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,640
so the next day i stayed up all night in

1403
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,800
the morning i went down there where this

1404
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:24,800
all this noise was happening and there

1405
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,760
was there was a deer a deer had walked

1406
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,520
through there in the night other than

1407
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,440
that if a rabbit had to run through

1408
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,800
there it would have left track there was

1409
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:33,599
no

1410
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,559
on the ground but yet i listened to this

1411
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,240
thing for 20 minutes crashing through

1412
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,400
the trees down there and they left no

1413
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,800
physical sign of being there at all

1414
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,960
except the noise but you see you heard

1415
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,480
him crash through the trees but he they

1416
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:52,240
didn't break up any break off any

1417
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,349
that was going to be my next question

1418
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,520
how about as far as physical evidence uh

1419
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,520
goes do they ever leave anything

1420
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,760
physical behind uh yeah we've got

1421
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,520
photographs of tracks and all kinds of

1422
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,119
photographs my books are full of

1423
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,960
photographs

1424
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,240
unfortunately

1425
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,760
when we were doing our research out

1426
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,400
there they they uh

1427
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,559
there were no outside of beta cam

1428
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,400
cameras and we tried to get

1429
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,240
universal studios and some of the

1430
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,240
networks to come out there you know this

1431
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,800
is i i must say i i do interviews uh all

1432
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:28,000
the time i've been doing it for years

1433
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,359
this is some of the most

1434
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:31,200
amazing uh material i mean i've known

1435
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,800
you for a while i you know i picked up

1436
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,240
the book and we did publish an article

1437
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:35,760
in ufo universe but i've never heard it

1438
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,079
from the monsters not the horse's mouth

1439
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,240
you know

1440
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,800
and and it's just it's amazing stuff if

1441
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,319
this were 15 years ago there'd be a

1442
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,079
stampede of people

1443
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,680
yeah yeah and i guess there was for a

1444
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,359
while that came for the metaphysical

1445
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:51,839
teachings and uh well you know we had we

1446
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,640
had we had most of tv networks universal

1447
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,920
studios

1448
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,480
out there with the crews uh we were i've

1449
00:52:05,109 --> 00:51:59,839
been on national tv

1450
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,270
but we we got the camera crews would be

1451
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,280
out there and they'd see the stuff and

1452
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:12,079
we like i remember universal studios in

1453
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,280
particular

1454
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,880
they said go back and talk to your

1455
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,440
people and tell them

1456
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,599
could we have a beta cam camera that's

1457
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,839
the only thing at the time 50 000 camera

1458
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,599
that would film at night

1459
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,280
you can you can leave the camera with us

1460
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,800
if you trust them yeah they should these

1461
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,000
things shoot pretty good at night i'll

1462
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,520
tell you that

1463
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,760
well panasonic had one at the time in

1464
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:33,599
the early 90s it did work at night we

1465
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,720
didn't know about it it was affordable

1466
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:37,920
um

1467
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,880
so we but so we got the camera crews

1468
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,079
would go back and say oh yeah with

1469
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,079
incredible stuff going on out there no

1470
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:46,960
no response for any of them it really

1471
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,520
was like somebody like probably in the

1472
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,119
governor was saying you know

1473
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,559
no way well

1474
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,000
let me tell you i've worked on the

1475
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,559
movies and tv shows and stuff to get

1476
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,280
anybody to make a move on anything it's

1477
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,960
like you got to get a whole orchestra of

1478
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:03,200
people to agree on something you know i

1479
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,319
i mean just

1480
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,800
it's it's uh my my friend john keel who

1481
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,400
wrote the book mothman prophecies and

1482
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,400
finally had richard gere starring the

1483
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,119
movie that took that took him years and

1484
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,280
years and years to get that made into a

1485
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:17,680
film and you know the only way that

1486
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,800
actually got into into a um a movie is

1487
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,280
because of the delhi llama

1488
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,760
the richard gere asked the deli being a

1489
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:26,640
um

1490
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:29,760
you know a buddhist ask the dalai lama

1491
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,559
should he do the movie or not and one of

1492
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,119
the beliefs of the tibetans

1493
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:38,720
is this a giant garuda bird so the delhi

1494
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,599
llama gave his approval and richard gere

1495
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,480
agreed to go on on on board and so the

1496
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:46,640
movie finally got made otherwise it'd

1497
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:48,079
still be going in a circle somewhere

1498
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,680
there in hollywood you know now since

1499
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,760
that came out there's been

1500
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,520
at least three or four other films

1501
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,559
devoted to the uh uh mothman in fact it

1502
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,720
was one on the sci-fi channel uh the

1503
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,280
other day not based on you know anything

1504
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,680
factual at all but uh you know some

1505
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,400
heart uh sci-fi uh yeah

1506
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:08,160
it was terrible

1507
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:09,280
it's better

1508
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:10,640
better than some though but it was it

1509
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,319
was the mothman seeks revenge

1510
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,079
i thought that was a cl i thought there

1511
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:18,079
was a little clever twist there but uh

1512
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,359
yeah uh

1513
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,319
no no no no sign of any thunderbirds out

1514
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:25,680
here that the atheists talk about no no

1515
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,559
no no uh uh no no giant birds

1516
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:33,200
but to get back to that uh

1517
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,400
that the uh

1518
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,240
if we had a camera like a beta cam

1519
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,760
camera we could have got footage that

1520
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,200
the world would still be talking about

1521
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,920
today be all over youtube i mean we saw

1522
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:44,240
that's a profit maker yeah yeah right

1523
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,960
yeah

1524
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,960
but we started we saw stuff with the

1525
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,880
eyes linda and i used to tell each other

1526
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,880
all the time if you hadn't been standing

1527
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:52,960
right beside me i saw the same thing i i

1528
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,280
just did you saw the same thing i would

1529
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,880
have thought i was crazy

1530
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,520
it was so incredible stuff we saw and we

1531
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,839
tried to 35 millimeter cameras you

1532
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,040
couldn't do it

1533
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,319
and we we finally got a a a camera video

1534
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,319
camera and it just didn't work it was a

1535
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:10,079
good one and it just would not film in

1536
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,440
low light

1537
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,200
so uh do you think they were blocking

1538
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,280
some no i just the quality of the

1539
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,119
cameras now i mean now the sony's any

1540
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,119
any song oh this i was going to say this

1541
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,960
i i've said uh i've shot a couple of

1542
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,760
like low budget horror films mr creepo i

1543
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,920
shot a scene in a hurricane with this

1544
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,440
thing out at night with the night vision

1545
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:29,280
and it's it looks like it was shot with

1546
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:30,319
the

1547
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,839
really heavy duty equipment you know

1548
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,160
yeah yeah well i have three sony cameras

1549
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,240
in in in there they'll they'll film in

1550
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,480
total darkness yeah any of the total

1551
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,160
darkness yeah with the eye can see the

1552
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:43,040
camera look at it and if we'd had cancer

1553
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,559
if we'd had cameras like that back in

1554
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,319
the late 80s and early 90s we could have

1555
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,040
got some footage that was you know

1556
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,640
literally unbelievable

1557
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,480
but we had i had in one instance i had

1558
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,400
one i won't name the studio one of the

1559
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,720
big networks they had a meeting a top

1560
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,119
level meeting in new york one guy got up

1561
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,720
got up said we're not having anything to

1562
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,440
do with this is the end of it it's dead

1563
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,680
that's it sat down it killed it right

1564
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,400
there this was a top level meeting

1565
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,319
to uh to get involved in the stuff that

1566
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,920
goes on out there

1567
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:14,240
the bradshaw ranch so that's too bad you

1568
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,440
could have gotten somebody like steve

1569
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,720
spielberg

1570
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,440
to get involved or interested in it yeah

1571
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,920
we we tried to connect with him but we

1572
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,599
had a friend of a friend a friend of a

1573
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,640
friend

1574
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,799
and well he spielberg knew about it

1575
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,880
because he lived here for a while

1576
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,480
and that was at the time that the

1577
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,240
bradshaw ranch was world famous so i

1578
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,839
know we knew about it

1579
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,400
well that does seem to be the thing even

1580
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,040
if people of something like cloud

1581
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,880
know about something like this they

1582
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,440
might film a fictionalized

1583
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,000
uh film and put it in but they're scared

1584
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,119
of having something that's actually

1585
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,520
you know factual and what's the what's

1586
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:53,680
the thinking on this as far as the like

1587
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,640
the chamber of commerce uh goes

1588
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,640
well the chamber of commerce promotes

1589
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,200
the metaphysical but not the uf they

1590
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,000
never the newspapers uh the the chamber

1591
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,280
of commerce never talks about ufos or

1592
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,960
extraterrestrial beings or anything like

1593
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,640
that never has there ever been any

1594
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:13,040
articles in the paper here on on ufo

1595
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:13,920
sightings

1596
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,630
interesting you brought that up

1597
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,319
the newspaper interviewed me one time in

1598
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:22,000
fact it was a half page interview of me

1599
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:23,680
it was a good story too

1600
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,400
and

1601
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,000
at the time as the managing editor of

1602
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:27,359
the newspaper

1603
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,400
and uh

1604
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:30,559
so i mean i i thought this is highly

1605
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,760
unusual

1606
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,920
uh i said i i so i asked him are you

1607
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,440
gonna get fired over this i mean it's

1608
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,839
never been done before yeah you know and

1609
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:39,520
he says he says i'm the boss nobody can

1610
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:43,280
fire me and he resigned two weeks later

1611
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,079
so

1612
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,079
they published the story well you know

1613
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,480
angela joyner who has her own radio show

1614
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,599
on the internet

1615
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,760
she was the editor of the newspaper down

1616
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,079
in stevensville the texas and she got

1617
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,319
bounced because she met one of the

1618
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,799
witnesses on her own time he wanted to

1619
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,240
bring her like an update on what he'd

1620
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,920
seen and they said no no more ufos

1621
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:04,000
you're out of here yeah so but now she

1622
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,599
has her own radio yeah

1623
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,720
radio show

1624
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,400
she'd like to do a book if anybody would

1625
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,799
publish it and so forth you know uh well

1626
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,640
we mentioned we mentioned about uh

1627
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,880
justin passing are there any

1628
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:16,799
native american stories about things

1629
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,160
here i mean

1630
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,520
have you talked to any of the tribal

1631
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,359
members uh

1632
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,359
because we certainly have a an abundance

1633
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:26,000
of native uh jewelry here in fact my big

1634
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,960
um

1635
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,640
piece of jewelry i got here many many

1636
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,960
years ago i mean this this does seem to

1637
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:32,799
be something that they they would

1638
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,839
recognize as part of their uh

1639
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,760
well you know if you if you talk to the

1640
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,559
the uh the indians in confidence they'll

1641
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,559
most of them will talk about it in fact

1642
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,880
i i had a project it's kind of i think

1643
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:46,559
it may be starting up again for five

1644
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:47,520
years

1645
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,880
i talked

1646
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:51,200
i tried to i have this i call it the

1647
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,119
navajo project because the the the uh

1648
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,880
the stuff that goes on the navajo

1649
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,799
reservation is incredible it's like it

1650
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,680
was

1651
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,839
what goes on the navajo reservation now

1652
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,760
is what used to happen in the 50s here

1653
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,720
in this country i mean ufo landings

1654
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,119
extraterrestrials getting out incredible

1655
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:11,680
paranormal stuff like the skin walkers

1656
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:14,240
skin walker is not folklore it's real

1657
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,520
yeah

1658
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,000
so anyway so i had this uh i tried to

1659
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,520
raise 50 000

1660
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,520
i was told no you better try a hundred

1661
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,640
thousand i want to do a five year

1662
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,799
research project on the navajo nation

1663
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,720
now last night on the history channel

1664
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:29,359
they had a very uh good two-part it's a

1665
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,880
five-part series on the ancient

1666
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,040
astronauts and and all and last night

1667
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,799
they had quite a big um

1668
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,480
part of the episode was on native

1669
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,200
americans and uh the pictographs

1670
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,359
and the the kachina and their contacts

1671
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,440
and things like that i mean see the hide

1672
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,960
it there are some of the elders and so

1673
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,400
forth who do talk

1674
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,480
uh about this the sky people certainly a

1675
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,480
lot more readily than they than they

1676
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,359
used to yeah and in fact uh uh noria

1677
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:56,000
harakawa down there in dulce they had a

1678
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,760
a little mini

1679
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,599
seminar

1680
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,000
six months or so ago because of all the

1681
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,319
activity there and uh there were so many

1682
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,240
people showed up it's not it's on uh

1683
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,480
native uh reservation so many people

1684
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,079
show up that showed up that they had to

1685
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,160
move the location i think in the where

1686
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,920
the city town hall or something where

1687
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:15,680
they had the memes and everybody seemed

1688
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,599
to go along with it they 34 they get a

1689
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,960
lot of slack and people wouldn't want to

1690
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,559
see them but they're even thinking about

1691
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:22,720
doing a second meeting down there you

1692
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:23,680
know

1693
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,520
talking about this now it used to be a

1694
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,520
fundamentalist

1695
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:31,920
religion types were you know totally

1696
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,680
against them even they're they're very

1697
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,520
interested in it now

1698
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:37,920
the uh the uh uh

1699
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,960
the indians the navajos hopies in all

1700
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,640
all the tribes there are things that go

1701
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:44,000
on if you

1702
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,280
if you

1703
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,119
gain their trust they'll tell you what's

1704
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,359
what's going on and it's it's incredible

1705
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,760
so i i have offered to give

1706
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:53,520
uh

1707
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,760
history channel i said you guys can have

1708
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,280
this idea

1709
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:01,200
i gave them the whole thing you guys

1710
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,349
on another blank tape and we haven't

1711
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:15,280
finished yet so we're just rocking on

1712
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,920
here in sedona okay could continue on

1713
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,440
then um

1714
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:21,440
uh where were we

1715
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,640
2012 oh

1716
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:26,160
i'm really hoping that there will be

1717
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,599
direct alien

1718
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:29,440
intervention in our affairs and i think

1719
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,880
it might happen

1720
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,359
uh i've i've interviewed i think eight

1721
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:36,079
people that had uh

1722
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:36,960
uh

1723
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,920
alien contact with extraterrestrial

1724
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,920
contact in every case it's been a human

1725
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,440
extraterrestrial

1726
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:45,920
and uh what did the human look like well

1727
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,400
they look basically just like us

1728
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:50,240
but with slight differences the ears are

1729
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,599
a little bit different the chin might a

1730
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:53,280
little bit pointed eyes might be a

1731
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,720
little different but they're bonds

1732
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:56,000
burnetts

1733
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:57,599
everything everything everything so

1734
01:02:01,030 --> 01:01:58,799
they're just is

1735
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,040
a week from them or

1736
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,599
do you think um you know the only thing

1737
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:05,280
that that they really talked about you

1738
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,880
know the damage we're doing to the earth

1739
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,640
and uh

1740
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,559
that we really need to change

1741
01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:12,400
but the the thing that struck all of

1742
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:15,040
them is how how wonderful these people

1743
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,480
were to be around and they weren't from

1744
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:17,839
this planet

1745
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,760
um and they always prove their

1746
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:21,440
extraterrestrials by showing them the

1747
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,040
share for some device that couldn't

1748
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,280
possibly have come from this planet

1749
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:27,520
so for years no they sho who did they

1750
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:30,720
show the president the the contactee

1751
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,200
are we talking about anybody specific

1752
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:35,440
uh yeah i know the names

1753
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:37,040
uh

1754
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,480
but in each case the the

1755
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,799
extraterrestrial proved they were from

1756
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,640
not not from the air they were they were

1757
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:44,960
you know from outer space or whatever

1758
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:46,880
uh and in two cases it was really

1759
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,200
dramatic um

1760
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:51,200
so

1761
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,240
that

1762
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:54,240
years i'd meditate you know i want to

1763
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,599
meet an extraterrestrial let's you know

1764
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,839
let's meet so but anyway from what i've

1765
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,920
been able to draw from the conversations

1766
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,119
that these people have had with

1767
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,480
extraterrestrials i have a feeling that

1768
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:07,119
they may intervene in our affairs soon

1769
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,559
because we're we're doing too much

1770
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:10,640
damage to ourselves on the planet

1771
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,280
uh or some other catastrophic event may

1772
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,680
may be coming that they're going to

1773
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,440
they're either they're either going to

1774
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,760
let the planet be destroyed or help us

1775
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:21,440
one of the other i really do believe

1776
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:22,559
that the extraterrestrials are going to

1777
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,680
help us some group is going to intervene

1778
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,680
but it's like uh i think it was bill

1779
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,200
hamilton said that he interviewed

1780
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:31,200
somebody and he the guy asked the

1781
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:33,200
extraterrestrials says why don't you

1782
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,880
guys come in to stop us before we you

1783
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,640
know we destroy everything and the

1784
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,559
extraterrestrial said we can't because

1785
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:40,400
we would be responsible for whatever you

1786
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,200
do

1787
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,200
and a cosmic sense that would be a

1788
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,039
disaster for us

1789
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,039
i mean and and on the internet there's

1790
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,880
been a was a special program about what

1791
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,880
would happen if extraterrestrials did

1792
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:52,960
come in and it would be pretty rough

1793
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,880
the religions and the

1794
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,799
uh economic collapse the changes in

1795
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,000
governments well you've got all that

1796
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,000
happening right now anyway yeah yeah

1797
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,160
right so yeah this is the opportune time

1798
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,400
right yeah the office fill in louisiana

1799
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:05,920
how how

1800
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,440
much it keeps every day you know

1801
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,280
how much time so it can't get much worse

1802
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:13,359
you know the air of the air and the

1803
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:15,920
whole deal but one uh one night i was

1804
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:17,920
coming out from the bradshaw ranch yeah

1805
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,039
i had

1806
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,799
i i'll spend the rest of my life

1807
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,119
wondering what would have happened if i

1808
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,960
had not done this

1809
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,480
i used to come out from the bradshaw

1810
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,240
ranch leave the branch range about one

1811
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:29,520
o'clock in the morning it was a long

1812
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:32,240
drive what ten uh about ten miles on a

1813
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,599
bad dirt road

1814
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:35,520
no houses on the road

1815
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:38,480
so at one point i looked out there was a

1816
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,960
white light paralleling my my car and i

1817
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,799
said you know i said oh

1818
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,400
oh [\h__\h] here we go this is a you know

1819
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:46,640
typical abduction thing because here was

1820
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:49,039
this white light or the border patrol

1821
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,559
yeah

1822
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:52,079
you know in the trees following me

1823
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,839
through the trees so i after a while it

1824
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,440
just was gone it was great because i was

1825
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:58,319
tired hungry and in a really bad mood

1826
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:00,160
i just wanted to get home go to bed get

1827
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:06,549
i drove along another another

1828
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:07,520
mile

1829
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,319
or so and i came around a corner and and

1830
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,720
there was there there was a ship sitting

1831
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,640
uh right in the front of domestic no

1832
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,520
more than maybe 150 feet off the ground

1833
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:19,760
and this thing was a disc shape it was

1834
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,920
about 50 feet across a multi-colored

1835
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:24,000
flashing lights all around it

1836
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:25,280
and

1837
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,839
up this thing was going about 20 miles

1838
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:33,920
an hour it was going to intersect

1839
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,799
right at the base of dome mountain

1840
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:37,760
uh

1841
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,720
and

1842
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:40,559
i'm looking at this thing going the same

1843
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,359
speed i'm i'm going and in my mind i've

1844
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,200
been on national tv with us a bunch of

1845
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,760
times but what i actually said was in my

1846
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:50,160
mind i'm really not in the mood for this

1847
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,680
kind of [\h__\h] tonight

1848
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,839
and just the instant that i thought that

1849
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,200
in my mind they had been reading my

1850
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:57,440
thoughts all along yesterday i thought

1851
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,920
that in my mind this the ship stopped

1852
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,839
dead in the air sat there for about five

1853
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,200
seconds and then

1854
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,119
in a split second it was gone over the

1855
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,680
horizon so i stopped my car and got out

1856
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,200
and stood in front of the car just

1857
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:11,680
staring at the blank spot just told me

1858
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:14,640
i'm flabbergasted and what had happened

1859
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:16,480
and i realized that they probably wanted

1860
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:18,160
to make contact with me we would have

1861
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,960
met

1862
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,280
in about another quarter mile

1863
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,440
the ship and i would have been together

1864
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,520
and what could have happened at that

1865
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:27,039
point i have no idea i'll spend the rest

1866
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,119
of my life wondering

1867
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:30,880
what might have happened if i'd you know

1868
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,760
just kept going and met the ship

1869
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:35,760
but that night i was so tired and hungry

1870
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:38,160
and uh you know not a great mood god

1871
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,119
could have appeared in the middle of the

1872
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,200
road i wouldn't you know wouldn't it

1873
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,549
well you did say that you think they are

1874
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:48,640
going to intervene in spite of what bill

1875
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,760
hamilton said so what are your personal

1876
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,839
feelings that's a good question because

1877
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,839
you know all the time linda bradshaw and

1878
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:57,200
i

1879
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,799
spent on the bradshaw ranch we were

1880
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,400
probably elbowed elbow these

1881
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,400
extraterrestrials all these beings so we

1882
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:04,799
absorbed some of what they were we

1883
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:06,400
couldn't help them they had to hear a

1884
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:11,990
so you're you're i got to get it out of

1885
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,280
you what do you because i gotta know

1886
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,280
what are your own feelings that as to

1887
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,000
why you feel whether it's 212 or

1888
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:22,319
whenever or sooner than that

1889
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:25,280
that they will intervene

1890
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:26,839
i have a feeling

1891
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:30,559
of i do psychic work and so i am

1892
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,160
connected psychically i do uh

1893
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,400
medical intuitive work now too i'm very

1894
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:38,799
good at it

1895
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,119
but probably as a result of my psychic

1896
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:42,880
impressions i feel that there is one

1897
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,280
group that wants to openly intervene in

1898
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:47,039
our affairs now and i think it's a human

1899
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,160
group i think

1900
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,920
and i'm really hoping that they're that

1901
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,520
they will do it i believe that chomping

1902
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,000
at the bed to wait to have the opening

1903
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,200
come in and just you know

1904
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:59,039
really intervene and what's going on on

1905
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,039
this planet before we destroy everything

1906
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,359
and do you know who the group is no

1907
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:05,119
they're just they're human

1908
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,720
they're human

1909
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:08,240
now

1910
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,160
what is it that bugs them the most are

1911
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:12,880
you feeling that we do that is really

1912
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,839
like

1913
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:15,680
man they really need to quit that we

1914
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,759
need it we need it that would get them

1915
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:18,880
to

1916
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:25,040
destroy the planet i think probably a

1917
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,880
number of groups will come in but i i do

1918
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:27,839
know that

1919
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,400
we're we're they're they are afraid of

1920
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,799
our violence we're a very very we're a

1921
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,560
barbarian race

1922
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:37,120
uh i think to most of them

1923
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:38,960
they're they're afraid of what we would

1924
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:42,400
we would do and do to us due to them

1925
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:47,110
so

1926
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:48,880
i think a lot of stuff on this planet is

1927
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:51,600
orchestrated and people are played into

1928
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,239
it i don't think the average human being

1929
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,239
wants to be violent i think the average

1930
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,040
human being really wants to be peaceful

1931
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,000
but they are played into a role of

1932
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,400
violence fear control yeah and there's

1933
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,159
probably some extraterrestrial group

1934
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:07,679
that's behind that

1935
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:10,159
uh you know this there's there's i'll

1936
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:12,880
tell you a story about 15 years ago i

1937
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:15,199
had coffee i accept coffee with people

1938
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,719
that was my office i'd meet people just

1939
01:09:19,829 --> 01:09:18,159
about every day

1940
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,839
and this guy his father was in the

1941
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,239
council of foreign relations and uh so

1942
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,679
we we talked about you know like

1943
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:25,440
government conspiracy stuff and alien

1944
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,319
stuff

1945
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:28,239
and uh mainly about government

1946
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,920
conspiracies and what the government was

1947
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,600
doing so about a week later he went to

1948
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,279
his father his father knew everybody in

1949
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:36,239
the world the club of rome council

1950
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:38,960
uh foreign relations you name it and uh

1951
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:41,520
you knew of them all and so he he talked

1952
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,880
he told his father all the stuff he

1953
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,880
talked about and his father got real

1954
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,040
quiet for about five seconds and then he

1955
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:49,279
said you know those people just aren't

1956
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,560
that smart

1957
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:52,480
i've thought about that a thousand times

1958
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,480
and that's i'm sure that's true so that

1959
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,600
would be

1960
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,239
a clear clue that there's some greater

1961
01:10:02,229 --> 01:10:00,320
intelligence that's that's uh

1962
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,239
we're being manipulated by some greater

1963
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,640
intelligence probably

1964
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,400
extraterrestrial and if you want to pick

1965
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,400
a group it's probably the reptilians

1966
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,840
because i've talked to people have seen

1967
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,920
the reptilians they're real i think

1968
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:13,840
there's some brilliant people on this

1969
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,199
planet but they're played down and

1970
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:19,440
they're made to be

1971
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,040
uh the things they say are silenced or

1972
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,470
we can't have that and the society is

1973
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,159
being dumbed down but i really think

1974
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:32,880
human beings are capable of

1975
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,159
quite a lot of genius

1976
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,760
well i think it's coming to a breakaway

1977
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:39,920
point now is people are fed up i mean

1978
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:41,120
now they're starting to really think for

1979
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:42,159
themselves

1980
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,440
and i i think you're going to see a

1981
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:45,199
breakaway pretty soon it's prob it's

1982
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,560
probably going to be a little bit

1983
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,719
violent in some places but but people

1984
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,400
have had enough i mean they're they're

1985
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,320
tired of being pushed around

1986
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,480
and uh there are some real thinkers out

1987
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,880
there now i mean there's some real

1988
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,640
original thinkers out there now that are

1989
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,159
really starting to make a difference and

1990
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:02,159
i think that's where it's going to break

1991
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,430
can you name a few that you're impressed

1992
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,960
with oh there's so many there's well

1993
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:10,880
just name a handful of people that

1994
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,800
you're impressed with and nowadays

1995
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,480
because oh i don't know you could say

1996
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:16,159
stephen grier

1997
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:17,600
you know griers

1998
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:19,040
you know i like him

1999
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,719
yeah you know he's got he seems naive

2000
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,040
though yeah well no he's got a he's got

2001
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,280
you know he's got a thousand pound ego

2002
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,440
but grier oh yeah you know he's done

2003
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,520
he's done i mean he's he's done awesome

2004
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,679
stuff to break things yeah

2005
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,520
so does every politician in washington

2006
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,880
so that maybe he puts about an equal

2007
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:36,320
level there right

2008
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:38,080
yeah

2009
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:39,040
so you know

2010
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,800
you know unfortunately i think there are

2011
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:42,320
people out there that

2012
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:43,520
look like they mean well that have

2013
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,040
hidden agendas and those are the ones

2014
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:47,199
i'm afraid of i'm really i'm real

2015
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:48,480
nervous about those people that have

2016
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,080
hidden agendas

2017
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:52,320
like like obama probably

2018
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,840
he could end up being one of the worst

2019
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,520
in history

2020
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:57,040
you know i'm hoping he's just a good guy

2021
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,480
trying to make you know doing the best

2022
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,400
he can but i don't think so i'm afraid

2023
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:02,719
obama's got hitting the gym is it

2024
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:05,360
gonna be so you think he's that smart

2025
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:11,430
it appears that almost every president

2026
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,320
uh

2027
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:14,640
ever since roosevelt has done before has

2028
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:16,239
very little knowledge of anything that's

2029
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,440
going on certainly as far as the

2030
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,440
extraterrestrials go they just haven't

2031
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,800
been uh

2032
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,800
told about there's probably only a few

2033
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:24,719
people in the government that even have

2034
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,920
any equine inclination about any of this

2035
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,520
because the truth of the matter is how

2036
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,440
do you what you just described here if

2037
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:33,360
this is true how do you how do you tell

2038
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:36,800
the american public who is too busy

2039
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:37,600
getting

2040
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:42,000
watching football sorry guys i love the

2041
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:43,600
giants

2042
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,709
to understand any of this they have no

2043
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,560
the average american doesn't have uh you

2044
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:52,560
know we're talking about one percent of

2045
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,280
the population of that that even the uh

2046
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,520
knows what a you know like anything

2047
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,600
that's going on you know it's just

2048
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:01,840
boggles the mind that after that after

2049
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,560
50 something years of this uh it's the

2050
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,719
three of us here in the room and maybe a

2051
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:09,040
few other people we can't see but uh and

2052
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:12,000
the cia guy across the hallway with his

2053
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,719
uh

2054
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,960
monitor on the glass or something yeah

2055
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:16,159
well they don't even have to bother

2056
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,360
because they you know they've heard the

2057
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:19,679
cut they've heard us on tv and gotten on

2058
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,239
you know copied it off the radio and all

2059
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,719
that but uh yeah i mean it seems like

2060
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,159
very few people really have any

2061
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,239
inclination of

2062
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,880
of what's going on and then even the

2063
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,719
ones that do uh like the fellow who was

2064
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:34,159
running for president you know had the

2065
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:35,840
site with shirley mclean

2066
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,239
and they asked him about it and

2067
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,840
everybody made a laughing stock out of

2068
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,920
him that probably lost him another five

2069
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:43,840
you know points in the primary or

2070
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,159
something the uh the giggle

2071
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,000
factor or the laugh factor

2072
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,560
it it seems that every news reporter

2073
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,640
that goes to journalism school must be

2074
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:54,400
taught in a secret class somewhere that

2075
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,080
if they're interviewing anybody about

2076
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:58,480
ufos they're supposed to end it with a

2077
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,159
smirk and a snide comment yeah

2078
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:03,840
well you know you know it's like i said

2079
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:06,159
i i spent about four hours a day on the

2080
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,199
internet

2081
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,280
uh i get emails from all over the world

2082
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:11,120
i'm in constant contact with some of the

2083
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,800
most intelligent people on this planet

2084
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:14,960
it's a spreading and you know and like i

2085
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,719
say that the internet is the citizens

2086
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,960
intelligence network i mean this without

2087
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:20,800
the internet we'd be screwed

2088
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:22,000
plato

2089
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:23,440
we wouldn't have a chance it wasn't the

2090
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,840
internet but but ideas you know

2091
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:27,679
circulate freely over the internet and

2092
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,080
there's some extraordinarily intelligent

2093
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,320
people that are on the internet sharing

2094
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:33,760
what they know and their their

2095
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:35,440
photographs or whatever so everybody

2096
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:37,360
everybody can sort through it and pick

2097
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,560
and choose

2098
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,600
so

2099
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:41,040
through the internet work

2100
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,880
we got a you know

2101
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:45,360
good chance of coming on time why don't

2102
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:48,000
we end this by inviting everybody up

2103
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:53,990
i shouldn't even be in this thing but

2104
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:57,520
back to sedona the unknown question here

2105
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,480
you know

2106
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,719
people like us and they all come to

2107
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:02,960
sedona and those coming for the first

2108
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,400
time are are struck like oh my god a

2109
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:08,480
place like this exists you know it looks

2110
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,400
like another planet here

2111
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,560
what is a

2112
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:14,080
if someone want to tell me i'm you know

2113
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,760
i'm going to sedona what should i do

2114
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,280
when i get there

2115
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,440
i don't bring a lot of money a lot of

2116
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:22,080
money but it's a good itinerary

2117
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,159
for someone if you were to tell people

2118
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,080
well if you're coming here you know yeah

2119
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,600
bring a lot of money that's like las

2120
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,440
vegas um

2121
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:31,040
well you're going to have some fun

2122
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,400
things to do

2123
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,719
for people coming here for the first

2124
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,280
time and they're metaphysical and they

2125
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,280
they maybe they're hoping to see a ufo

2126
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:41,760
but they probably won't but what what

2127
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,400
what's a good itinerary you know i i you

2128
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,320
know i've been asked that many many

2129
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,080
times but i would tell you don't try to

2130
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,239
do it one day you know give yourself at

2131
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,080
least three or four days or a week and

2132
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,080
then just just just have at it just

2133
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:56,000
drive around and just go wherever you

2134
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,360
want to see what you want to see and

2135
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,040
talk about it talk to whoever you want

2136
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,360
to see go to the chamber of commerce and

2137
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:03,120
you know they'll find

2138
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:06,719
infinite stuff to do and see

2139
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:08,320
one of my favorite things because i've

2140
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,440
i've been here many times but it went in

2141
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:13,520
maybe three days at a time unfortunately

2142
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,239
but i wanted to snuggly hill one time

2143
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:18,719
and that was so spiritual and there

2144
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,040
weren't i was just up there by myself i

2145
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:23,440
could see all of sedona

2146
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,920
it was just so incredibly beautiful yes

2147
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,199
they're fixing the road to snowboard

2148
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:28,800
hill now but that schnebly hill road

2149
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,520
would be a must see uh you used to be

2150
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,280
almost impassable but they are fixed

2151
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,600
completely fixing the road now so a car

2152
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,840
can get up there but yeah that assembly

2153
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:38,880
hill would be

2154
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:41,520
chevrolet hill uh cathedral rock

2155
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,560
definitely

2156
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:43,840
uh uh

2157
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,400
uh crescent moon state park

2158
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,960
cathedral rock schnebly hill uh boynton

2159
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,880
canyon and uh

2160
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:52,719
oak creek canyon drive up oak creek

2161
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:56,000
canyon towards flagstaff and in uh

2162
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,760
in belle rock you know those are things

2163
01:17:03,189 --> 01:16:59,760
that are must-see is it going to be some

2164
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:03,199
grand celebration here on 2012 uh no i

2165
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:04,560
don't think so

2166
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,480
um well let's end this now

2167
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,880
uh by telling us where are the viewers

2168
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:14,320
here uh we're probably gonna make a

2169
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,080
transcript of this and get it in a

2170
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,400
magazine and use it in a book and this

2171
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,800
will be going for the next 20 years

2172
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:22,960
tell everybody what are the titles again

2173
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,480
of your books and how do they reach you

2174
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,320
okay well i just called them up

2175
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:31,040
not in order but the quest

2176
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:32,480
uh everything you want to know about

2177
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:34,480
sedona in a nutshell

2178
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:37,600
ufo ufo sighting hot spots

2179
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,040
uh

2180
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:41,679
the alien tide

2181
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:43,199
you've almost written as much as i have

2182
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,560
yeah

2183
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:45,840
that one i remember is that the first

2184
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,320
one yeah yeah and that's called yeah

2185
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,159
mysteries of saddam is my first one it's

2186
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,560
still going and then unseen beings

2187
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:54,400
unseen worlds

2188
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:55,360
uh

2189
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,719
merging merging dimensions and

2190
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,719
this mysterious sedona this is my

2191
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,480
favorite okay do you do you have a

2192
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,239
website we can direct people to yeah

2193
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:06,159
i'll probably uh sell blue some of these

2194
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:07,199
books um

2195
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,560
what's that what's the website i know

2196
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:09,679
you have some videos on there and

2197
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:11,760
different things yeah

2198
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,239
southwest tours.com

2199
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:15,840
one word and if you're gonna come to

2200
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:18,880
sedona and you're gonna go for a tour

2201
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:20,560
this is the one you'll get abducted on i

2202
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:23,840
i i guarantee that yeah

2203
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:31,910
all right so from sedona this is tim

2204
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:35,440
and tom and they're there and have a

2205
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,870
and uh remember this is tim beckley

2206
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:46,719
reporting live for the conspiracy

2207
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,400
journal you can't see me but i can see

2208
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:52,159
you

2209
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,000
unfair unbalanced unedited to next time

2210
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:01,910
here we are this is snubbling

2211
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:04,000
sniveling hills here

2212
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,120
and with charlotte and um

2213
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:09,840
tom dango in the van

2214
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:13,920
and we got about five miles to the top

2215
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:18,080
and this is a great view of sedona here

2216
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:20,000
this is like nothing you've ever seen

2217
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:20,960
before

2218
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:23,920
but don't attempt to come up here unless

2219
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,400
you got a vehicle that's a four-wheel

2220
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,760
drive because you're not going to make

2221
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,280
it very far

2222
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:31,040
and uh i hear there's been some

2223
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,480
abductions that well thompson you know

2224
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:34,800
there's been things going on up here and

2225
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,600
so

2226
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:38,000
we're making our own investigation

2227
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,669
it looks like an angel flying above the

2228
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:03,120
rock

2229
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:08,950
looks like

2230
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,600
we have just had the most enormous ride

2231
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:13,760
up uh this

2232
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:16,000
place here this is just incredible do

2233
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:17,840
not come up with your car because you

2234
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:20,480
are not going to make it but the ufos

2235
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:23,360
will save us as you can tell here comes

2236
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,830
you would think we were these were

2237
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:38,159
craters on the moon

2238
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,159
no this is

2239
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,320
the four-wheel drive you need one to

2240
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:44,000
come up here fellas

2241
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:45,600
girls don't

2242
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,470
there's some people liking that

2243
01:21:17,750 --> 01:20:57,750
okay i'm gonna take a whiz over here

2244
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,149
we are here at um

2245
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:21,760
the top of the mountain and it's an

2246
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:22,960
incredible

2247
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:25,520
uh site what what do we know about ufo

2248
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:26,960
sightings here

2249
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,360
well this is schnebly hill

2250
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,080
uh and it was well probably back in the

2251
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,000
late 80s and early 90s one of the world

2252
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:36,239
hot spots for ufo sightings

2253
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:39,360
there are nightly dramatic ufo sightings

2254
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,560
here mostly of red orbs or triangular

2255
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:44,480
shaped craft

2256
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:46,000
and some of them were very close to the

2257
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:50,229
well

2258
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:52,159
close to the ground where's the ground

2259
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:53,280
yeah

2260
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:56,719
they were very low they're below the

2261
01:22:00,430 --> 01:21:58,159
ridge what is the altitude that we are

2262
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:00,440
at here we are at

2263
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,679
55 500 feet right here

2264
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,159
it's a remarkable site

2265
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,000
i could see if i was coming from

2266
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,000
somewhere else i would want to visit

2267
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,470
and if you're going to come here best to

2268
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:16,480
land in the ufo because the drive up

2269
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,239
here better come in your best vehicle

2270
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:22,400
because it is a trusting that there's

2271
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,600
some little tiny maces in the distance

2272
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,000
you know a little flat on the top

2273
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:30,560
but this is all uh the ocean has come

2274
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:32,239
and gone here seven times so everything

2275
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:42,310
in the distance here is that the lights

2276
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:45,520
of sedona all the way down there

2277
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:48,320
i'm not even sure we can see that

2278
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:50,840
because uh it gets us out of